ALCOSEBA
(16-Jul-2009)
Three Generations
An extraordinary stature would have been his already just for the Alcoseba and Trinidad (of Barili) Family Trees that he reconstructed and pioneered doing in Cebu, but Monsignor Cesar Jose Alcoseba also translated the Bible into Visayan. And everyone who has seen those little Visayan novena booklets in religious shops–chances are they were translated or written by Monsignor Dodò. Religious songs too did not escape his genius. Monsignor Alcoseba was born in Barili, however, and could not be included in the Carcaranons page.
For his Alcoseba Family tree (AFT, 1991), the monsignor confined it to his great-grandfather, Carmiano (Bernardo) Alcoseba, as the starting person. Subsequent research has expanded what we know of the family and I think it’s time the family continue what he started and include everyone with available records into the Alcoseba of Carcar Family Tree.
For a start, we have determined who Bernardo Carmiano’s parents were, as well as two siblings of his, Bernabela and Antonio. There are also other lines usually starting with someone named Simon and the first one too may have been a brother of Carmiano or even of Cipriano, Carmiano’s father. Although I have not personally seen the monsignor’s AFT, sequence of Carmiano’s children are based on it per information supplied by a source. Additions to AFT are entries for daughters Maria Bernarda (1831) and Ma. Christina (1833) found in the records. Maria Bernarda, though, had a notation on her baptismal record: Severina. These and other dates are from my own research.
Some years back, someone had been searching for the roots of his ancestor Algandor Alcoseba. At that time, I had not yet gotten to his record but Algandor is Alejandro, married to Juliana Balongoy Gabinete. They are the parents of Moises Alcoseba (born 1887* in Carcar, died 1969 in Hawaii). As they belonged to the branch of Carmiano’s brother Antonio, the names of the three would not be found in the monsignor’s Alcoseba family tree book. So here, Alejandro’s parents were Cosme Alcoseba and Felipa Aleguiojo below.
[1-Mar-2010: A big Casimira Alcoseba-Ambrosio Alesna branch has been in the Alcoseba files, unlinked, but appears in the Alesna Family tree. I missed this Burial record in the microfilms and my instinct to review the volume has been rewarded. Her burial in 2-Aug-1880 showed a Carmela Alcoseba widow of Ambrosio Alesna. She was said to be the daughter of Cipriano and Maria Pancita, our starting couple. I still have to encode the branch here but already think of placing Casimira AKA Carmela between Carmiano and Bernabela by virtue of a daughter, Rafaela, marrying ahead of Bernabela's own children. Monsignor Dodò's Carmiano family tree has now been appended with parents and 3 siblings.
In starting to trace one's family trees through the parish books, Marriages would be the recommended records to look into first. You get two families--plus grandparents in some--already with just one entry. But for individuals who were born before Claveria, where the absence of surnames would make it more demanding to pick them out, I usually favor the post-Claveria and later Burials because in the entries there, not only are they now identified by their surnames, but the person's parents are as a rule also included. Many of the links in my files were established this way and that certainly was the case here.]
[20-Dec-2010] The huge block of Alcoseba under either a single Simon or several Simons remains untied to this main reconstruction in my Alcoseba file. The biggest stumbling block is there is a Simon Alcoseba married to a Pia Manuela (an obvious pre-Claveria name), another Simon married to a Feliciana Maria, a third Simon married to a Feliciana Alcuires, a fourth married to a Feliciana Aldo, and a fifth (maybe a younger generation Simon) married to Teodora Gutierrez. If the first four Simon were the same person, he would have a total six children found in my file.
From their timelines, whatever Simon appears to be a sibling of Carmiano, Casimira, Bernabela and Antonio, and thus a son of first couple Agustin Cipriano and Catalina Panchita.
[22-Dec-2010] A record may have unlocked the mystery about the many Simons. But it is intricate. An 1893 burial record of a Francisca Alcoseba showed her parents to be Ciriaco and Dionisia Aleson, and grandparents as Simon-Pia. But Ciriaco is under my Simon-Feliciana Aldo line. And my Pia line had only Salvadora, Romana and Gregoria as her children. Ciriaco-Dionisia’s descendants touches on some Nadela branches of Carcar.
Meanwhile in that same burial record, Dionisia Aleson is said to be the daughter of Justiniano-Josefa. In my line for Francisco Justiniano-Ma. Estipa in the Aleson file, Dionisia had a sister Lucia, married to Macario Alcoseba (a relationship borne only by the burial record of Lucia).
Well, like I said, intricate: Macario Alcoseba belongs to my Simon Alcoseba-Feliciana Alcuires file! And it says there his wife was Lucia Aleson, daughter of Fustiano Aleson-Estefa Gelleganca.
Although Justiniano may look a different name from Fustiano, and Josefa from Estipa or Estefa, but there is such a thing as “sounds-like”. Anyway, sometime back I’d already grouped these various Simon lines together as one happy family, with the promise of that eventuality. The different Felicianas and Pia looked too minor as discrepancies. Here’s hoping another record would clinch it really for the Simon line. But we’ll still have to await still another record needed to show Simon as a son (or a brother) of Agustin Cipriano and Catalina Panchita. And, of course, whether Feliciana is an Alcuiris or an Aldo. Meanwhile, I’m intrigued why the name Pia Manuela ever cropped up.
the 2010 Voters list for Carcar, there are 135 voters surnamed Alcoseba, the 56th most numerous surname in the list.
* research says 1889
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Cipriano Alcoseba ( – 1860) pDn: Augustin Cipriano
=Catalina Panchita ( – bef. Oct-1860)
–Carmiano Alcoseba ( -1873) pDn: Bernardo Carmiano
–=(1816) Marienela Alcuiris ( -1857) pDn: Ma. Maricuyla
—-Benito Alcoseba ( -1895) pDn: Benito Ybañes (1833 marr.)
=(1833) Ma. Cornelia**(calc. 1818-
=1) Maria Alentado ( -1864)
=2(1869) Justa Baquilta ( -1908)
—-Placido Alcoseba (1818-1905) pDn: Placido Navarro (bapt)
=1(1842) Silveria Navarro ( ) pDn: Ma. Silvestra
=2) Gregoria
—-Eusebio Alcoseba (1827-1895) pDn: Eusebio Cordoba (bapt)
=Cecilia Navarro Barcelona (1829- ) pDn: Ma. Basilia
—-Gregoria Alcoseba (1820-1902) pDn: Ma. Gregoria
=(1846) Vicente Alejado (1819- ) pDn: Vicente Mercado (bapt.) Vicente Dias; AKA Inocentes
—-Lucas Antonio (1822-1823) pDn: Lucas Antonio (bapt.)
—-Apolonia Alcoseba (1824-1881) pDn: Ma Polonia (bapt.)
=(1842) Gregorio Dayagro (1821- ) pDn: Gregorio Santiago (bapt.)
—-Severina Alcoseba (1831-1888) Maria Bernarda (bapt, with notation as Severina)
=(1861) Lucio Alcorisa Alcordo (1834-1902) pDn: Juan Lucio (bapt.)
—-Ma. Catalina (1826-1826)
—-Ma. Christina (1833- ) pDn: Ma. Christina (bapt)
—-Ana Alcoseba (1834- ) pDn: Ma. Ana (bapt)
=Nazareno Aldemita ( -1881)
**[25-Feb-2011) In the 1833 Marriage record, Benito Ybañez, 19, was said to be the son of Carmiano Bernardo and Ma. Cornelia [sic]. His bride, Ma. Cornelia, 15, was the daughter of Francisco Valeriano (dec.) and Ma. Princissa. In the AFT, however, Benito’s first wife Maria Alentado was a daughter of Leon Alentado and Ma. Florencia.
–Casimira Alcoseba ( -1880) AKA Carmela (burial)
–=Ambrosio Alesna
—-Rafaela Alesna ( -1888) pDn: Ma. Rafaela (marr.)
=(1842) Cesareo Alvarado Ybañez ( ) pDn: Cesario Ybañez (marr.)
—-Maria Mariana (1827- ) pDn: Maria Mariana (bapt)
—-Mateo Alesna (1830-1885) pDn: Timoteo Ybañes (bapt)
=Macaria Barrabas ( -1884)
—-Sotera Alesna (1832- ) pDn: Sotera Ma. (bapt)
=(1854) Ynocentes Cuison Alcoy ( ) AKA Vicente
—-Meletona Alesna (1837-1896) pDn: Petrona Prisca (bapt)
=Francisco Alcoy
—-Eduardo Alesna (1838-1892) pDn: Fausto Eduardo (bapt)
=Luisa Dayagro Enanoria (1839- ) pDn: Luisa Nepomucena (bapt)
—-Bartolo Alesna ( ) AKA Bartolome
=Liceria Barcenas Aldocente
—-Maximo Alesna ( -1893)
=Dorotea Alfafara
–Bernabela Alcoseba ( -1889) pDn: Ma. Gabriela
–=Marcelo Alvarado Ybañez ( -1864) pDn: Marcelo Ybañez
—-Ma. Potenciana (1827- ) pDn: Ma. Potenciana (bapt)
—-Laurencio/Lorenzo Ybañez (1830-1898) pDn: Laurencio Nepomuceno (bapt)
=(1868) Eduarda Navarro Alfafara (1849- ) pDn: Eduarda Ma. (bapt)
—-Gregorio Ybañez (1833- ) pDn: Gregorio Francisco (bapt)
=Rufina Alejado Barellano
—-Patricia Ybañez (1840- ) pDn: Patricia Josefa (bapt)
=(1860) Mamerto Alesna Alcos
–Antonio Alcoseba (calc. 1815-1879) pDn: Antonio Gabriel (in Marriage) cabeza 1850s
–=(1837) Marcela Paraz (1814-1896) pDn: Marcela Candelaria (in Bapt and Marriage)
(see one generation lower for Antonio Alcoseba-Marcela Paraz in Paraz family tree page)
—-Eugenia Alcoseba (1844-1907) pDn: Gertrudes Eugenia (bapt)
=Facundo Aler Aleguiojo
—-Cosme Alcoseba ( -1898) cabeza ca. 1884
=Felipa Aler Aleguiojo
—-Benigna Alcoseba ( -1854)
—-Graciano Alcoseba ( -1855)
—-Rosa Alcoseba (1850-1901)
=Domingo Camelote Barcelo (ca. 1850 to 51- ) cabeza ca. 1880s
[13-Apr-2011]:
Simon branch (tentative: if brother, probably older or next to Carmiano):
–Simon Santiago ( -1845) pDn: Francisco Simon / Simon Santiago
–=Feliciana Alcuiris ( ) pDn: Ma. Feliciana, Pia Manuela; AKA Feliciana Aldo
—-Valentin Alcoseba (1815-1883) pDn: Mariano Balinten (Bapt.)
—-=1) Estefa Aldemeta
—-=2) Eulogia Oarquiaz ( -1895) vda of Valentin in her Burial record
—-Salvadora Alcoseba (calc. 1818-1897) pDn: Ma. Salvadora (marr.)
—-=(1837) Manuel Francisco ( ) pDn: Manuel de la Cruz (12 years of age in Marriage record)
—-Macario Alcoseba ( -1892)
—-= Lucia Gelleganca (Gellecanea?) Aleson ( -1880)
—-Ciriaco Alcoseba ( -1869)
—-= Dionisia Aleson ( -1900) AKA Dominga
—-Gregoria Alcoseba (1827-1895) pDn: Mariana Gregoria (bapt.)
—-= Pedro Aleson ( -1884)
—-Romana Alcoseba (1829-1898) pDn: Maria Romana (bapt.)
—-= Gregorio Camoro Gellecania ( -1901)
(see also Alcoseba notes)
(reconstruction of family and page going on)
Moises Alcoseba (born 1887 in Carcar, died 1969 in Hawaii) is my Great-Grandfather. Please contact me. Thank you.
chris
Pahoa, Hawai’i
By: cdgreen on November 1, 2009
at 10:50 am
@cdgreen, please you contact me this time.
By: vip on November 1, 2009
at 10:53 am
got moises’s baptismal record and it’s on year 1889. says born 25-nov-1889 and baptized 4-dec with his padrino numeriano alesna. the record gave the name of his parents as well as paternal and maternal grandparents. a post-notation on the baptismal record also said he was married to maria alejado 7-may-1912.
By: vip on November 23, 2010
at 9:24 am
Aloha VIP,
Hey, can you tell me who is listed as Moises parents and maternal & paternal grandparents on his baptsimal record? I believe Cosme Alcoseba is his father. & Yes, the family in Hawai’i believes that Moises wife Maria, my great-grandmother was related to both Alesna and Alejado families from the Car-car area.
Thank you.
chris aka cdgreen in Hawai’i
By: chris green on September 23, 2012
at 4:13 am
VIP after re-reading your painstaking & much appreciated work above I’ve gleaned that yes Cosme Alcoseba was my great-great-great grandfather married to my great- great- great grandmother Felipa Aler Aleguiojo. Thanks. But now correct me if I’m wrong here, Cosme’s parents were Antonio Alcoseba (1815-1879 married to: Marcela Paraz. Antonio’s father was Carmiano (Bernardo) Alcoseba or Augustin Cipriano Alcoseba?
Again, VIP thanks for all your hard work.
cousin chris in kea’au, puna, hawai’i
By: chris green on September 23, 2012
at 4:47 am
Antonio’s father was Cipriano Alcoseba (Augustin Cipriano, d. 1860). Carmiano was Antonio’s brother. But don’t you think it’s time you send me the descendancy of Moises and Maria Alejado, like Kenneth Florencio’s siblings and their spouses, incl Kenneth’s own and his children and spouses?
By: vip on September 23, 2012
at 6:13 am
Aloha Vip!
I just wanted to thank you 4 all your hard work on the Carcar Families Genealogy Page at WordPress. It has been so exciting to read today of a tie to the Philippines thru my Great-Grandfather Moesis Alcoseba whose surname was changed to Alcos-i-ba while he was working at Onomea Sugar Company on the Big Island of Hawai’i in the late 1930′s.
Mahalo Nui,
chris green,
Pahoa, Hawai’i, USA
By: cdgreen on November 1, 2009
at 12:08 pm
your thank-you is absolutely welcome. you may be interested about the historical development of the Alcoseba surname and others in Carcar: http://carcarfamilies.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/carcar-surnames-spellings/
By: vip on November 2, 2009
at 11:52 am
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.alcosiba/mb.ashx
By: cdgreen on November 1, 2009
at 12:13 pm
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.alcoseba/mb.ashx
By: cdgreen on November 1, 2009
at 12:16 pm
my grandmother name was
Felomina Alcosiba Birano:Born july 5,1905 Philippines. Baptised in barili. Her Father was Feliciano Alcosiba. Mother Sylvestra tarasona Alcosiba. My grandmother had 2 sisters one came to hawaii and the other stayed in the Philippines.
By: Lorito Salvador on December 11, 2009
at 1:29 pm
I’m sorry, @Lorito_Salvador, i still do not have a record for Feliciano Alcoseba or Silvestra Tarasona. In the meantime, please just reconstruct a family tree from Feliciano to yourself and your family (including your grandmother’s sisters). Thank you.
By: vip on December 13, 2009
at 2:13 am
hi my grandfather was francisco “kikoy” alcoseba married to lucia tampan. how do i get my family tree?
By: raul c. alcoseba on July 23, 2010
at 9:49 pm
@raul, your close cousins or uncles would know where to get the alcoseba family tree by mons. alcoseba. i don’t know if there are available copies in bookstores. i’ve never been able to read a copy myself. my sources just email me names and lines of the family
By: vip on July 24, 2010
at 11:13 am
Thanks a lot!! two of my father’s cousins that i can remember were the Abellana brothers Ramon and Martino Alcoseba Abellana. We are the Alcosebas relocated to Manila before the Japanese invasion.
By: raul c. alcoseba on January 6, 2011
at 6:48 pm
Grispola Alcoceba; DOB: 1893. Carcar, Cebu.
By: Cindy on February 8, 2011
at 12:58 am
that all? did she have a husband? children?
By: vip on February 8, 2011
at 1:13 am
Hi…
I belong to the Alcoseba-Trinidad branch. My Lolo (grandfather) Jose, a.k.a. Peping, is the oldest brother of the Monsignor Dodo. He was a renowned artist in Cebu during his lifetime. He was married to my Lola (grandmother) Primitiva Vergara, a.k.a. Bibang, and had four children, Antonia (is married to Carlos Martinez, Sr.), Salvador (is married to Fe Enecio), Mario, Sr. (was married to Clavel Enecio), and Elena (is married to Celestino Gochoco). I can help with information from my Lolo Peping’s branch of the tree to whoever is assembling the whole big family tree.
I live in Michigan, USA and my dad is Salvador, a.k.a. Badong.
God bless….
By: Casilda on April 7, 2011
at 2:58 am
many thanks for writing. i’ll take you up with your offer re jose family. another informant who submitted an outline taken from monsignor dodo’s book, eusebio came ahead of jose. also i am interested in primitiva vergara because i have vergara (of barili) blood myself. pls trace for me her grandparents (or even great-grandparents) so i can also update my vergara files. hope to hear from you again.
By: vip on April 7, 2011
at 3:20 am
I do not know much about my lola’s side of the family but I will ask my dad.
Until then…
By: Casilda on June 25, 2011
at 4:49 am
Hello. I have the book about the family tree. My mother is Nida (Leonida) Pañares Alcoseba, married to Simon Villamarin Samaniego, Jr. Mommy passed away in 1973. 2 daughters – myself and Simone A. Samaniego (Utah, USA).
By: Ma. Theresa S. Castro on May 6, 2011
at 1:51 pm
@matheresa, pls write me the sequence of the children of carmiano bernardo found the monsignor alcoseba family tree book. thanks.
By: vip on May 15, 2011
at 10:07 pm
Dear VIP,
Is there any way you can send me a copy/scan of my Grandfather Moises/Moeses Alcoseba’s Baptismal Certificate. I’d greatly appreciate it. Mahalo/Gracias/Thank you.
Cousin Chris Green now in Keaau, Hawai’i, USA
cdgreen@hawaiiantel.net
Reply
got moises’s baptismal record and it’s on year 1889. says born 25-nov-1889 and baptized 4-dec with his padrino numeriano alesna. the record gave the name of his parents as well as paternal and maternal grandparents. a post-notation on the baptismal record also said he was married to maria alejado 7-may-1912.
By: vip on November 23, 2010
at 9:24 am
Reply
By: chris green on May 18, 2011
at 1:50 pm
hi, my grandmother and grandfather are from carcar cebu they are Emillano Alcoseba and Fortunata Alcoseba.Hope do you know them. I am also searching some relatives there in carcar. My Mother is Perla Alcoseba Padillo here from digos city.
By: Maiapearl Alcoseba on March 3, 2012
at 5:04 pm
Im Carlos Alcoseba Martinez Jr from Cebu, my mother’s name is Antonia Vergara Alcoseba (maiden), my grandfather is Jose “Peping” Trinidad Alcoseba ( Married to Primitiva “Bibang” Vergara Alcoseba.
check my Lolo Pepings pic.
for reference you can talk to my mom. 273-2967
By: caloy on March 21, 2012
at 7:28 pm
ask lang po me. apo po ako ni oscar alcoseba and ang papa ko si archie B. alcoseba, eto po tanong ko sino po ang father ng lolo oca ko.. ? sabi po kasi ng papa ko bata pa cya hindi nya nakita lolo nya.. tnx poh.. im Emmanuel alcoseba
By: emmanuel alcoseba on April 19, 2012
at 10:21 pm
gud day to you
my name is DIANE P.ALCOSEBA; daughter of FLORENCIO MANALOP ALCOSEBA & SEGUNDINA BARING PANSAN…both parents are from carcar..my grandfather’s name is BLAS ALCOSEBA and MONICA MANALOP..MY grandparents residences was at BACTUS CARCAR, we are 11 siblings of FLORENCIO ALCOSEBA..i will check my lolo’s other siblings and relatives…
By: diane on June 21, 2012
at 11:11 pm
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By: Alcoseba notes « CARCAR FAMILIES: A Genealogy Blog for Carcar on September 11, 2012
at 2:15 pm
Hi,
My sister saw the Alcoseba Genealogy at SM Cebu just last week and it’s good to know the ancestry of my mother, Angelina.It’s feels good to pull the puzzle pieces together for my mother’s identity. We were looking for Angel Alcoseba, her father, but it wasn’t mentioned there. We just wanted to know who his parents were because we grew up knowing little about him since he died early. We were told by my mother that Angel was sent to Eversley Child’s Sanitarium due to leprosy and spent his solitary life there until he met Marciana Escartin, our grandmother. They had Angelina, their daughter, and the story ended there.
We met Msgr. Cesar Alcoseba during my college days in Cebu, but he was already old and sick that time (1996-97) and the only thing I remember was his first words when he saw us, ” Your eyes look like Anghels’.” So, it’s one thing for sure, Msgr. Cesar knew who Angel was.
By: nalet on September 18, 2012
at 4:13 pm
it may help if you could find out when angel was born or when he died. and if you did not know his parents, but did you (or your mother) know what middle name he used. also, did your mother know angel’s brothers and/or sisters? it might help my search.
but most especially, if there’s a close family member who reads your comment and fills all of us in. i hope you’ll eventual get the answer.
By: vip on September 18, 2012
at 8:16 pm